Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/13/2001 03:35 PM Senate STA

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                     ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                   
                  SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                                                                              
                         February 13,2001                                                                                       
                             3:35 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                              
Senator Gene Therriault, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Randy Phillips, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Drue Pearce                                                                                                             
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All Members Present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 10                                                                                                  
Urging the United States Congress to fully fund the operational                                                                 
readiness and recapitalization requirements of the United States                                                                
Coast Guard.                                                                                                                    
     MOVED SJR 10 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 65                                                                                                              
"An Act requiring a study to determine if gender is a determinant                                                               
in state employee compensation."                                                                                                
     MOVED SB 65 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 24                                                                                                              
"An Act  giving  notice of  and approving  the entry  into, and  the                                                            
issuance  of certificates  of participation  for,  a lease-purchase                                                             
agreement  for a seafood  and food safety  laboratory facility;  and                                                            
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     MOVED SB 24 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
SJR 10 - No previous action recorded.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 65 - No previous action recorded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SB 24 - No previous action recorded.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
Rear Admiral Tom Barrett                                                                                                        
Coast Guard District 17                                                                                                         
709 W. 9th Street                                                                                                               
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave power point presentation on Coast Guard                                                              
                     operations in Alaska.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
State Capitol                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SJR 10                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Janice Adair                                                                                                                    
Director of Environmental Health                                                                                                
Department of Environmental Conservation                                                                                        
555 Cordova Street                                                                                                              
Anchorage, AK 99501                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports SB 24.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Tom Livingston                                                                                                                  
Livingston Slone Inc.                                                                                                           
3900 Arctic Blvd.                                                                                                               
Anchorage, AK 99518                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions about study conducted                                                                  
                     relating to SB 24.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Caren Robinson                                                                                                                  
Alaska Women's Lobby                                                                                                            
Tenass Pass Shellfish Company                                                                                                   
211 4th Suite 108                                                                                                               
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Supports SB 65.                                                                                           
                     Supports SB 24.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-5, SIDE A                                                                                                             
Number 001                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN GENE THERRIAULT called the Senate State Affairs Committee                                                            
meeting to order at 3:35 p.m. Members present were Senators                                                                     
Phillips, Davis and Chairman Therriault.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There were three items on the agenda: SJR 10, SB 65 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                   SJR 10-US COAST GUARD FUNDING                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Rear Admiral Barrett gave a power point presentation that provided                                                              
an overview of the Coast Guard's role and activities in Alaska. A                                                               
copy of the presentation is in the bill file.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                            Seventeenth                                                                                         
                       Coast Guard District                                                                                     
                         Serving Alaskans                                                                                       
                     Alaska State Legislature                                                                                   
                         13 February 2001                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                              Alaska                                                                                            
                        The Maritime State                                                                                      
        · 33,000 miles of coastline                                                                                             
        · 25,000 commercial vessels                                                                                             
        · 200,000 non-commercial/recreational vessels                                                                           
        · Over 95% of all cargo shipped via vessels                                                                             
        · CG's Bottom Line…Protection of Life and the Alaskan                                                                   
          Marine Environment                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                            CHALLENGES                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Infrastructure                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        · 27 Remote VHF and HF Hi Sites in remote location                                                                      
        · Limited Satellite and VHF coverage                                                                                    
        · Loran Stations located in remote areas (Attu, Port                                                                    
          Clarence, Saint Paul, Shoal Cove)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Harsh Operating Environment                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Long Distances                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Coast Guard Budget in Alaska                                                                                                    
        · $200 million annual infusion into Alaska economies in                                                                 
          salaries and purchases                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Coast Guard Personnel in Alaska                                                                                                 
        · 1,800 Active Duty & Civilian personnel                                                                                
        · Reserve and Auxiliary                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                    COAST GUARD STRATEGIC GOALS                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Maritime Safety                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        · 42 Coast Guard Units in Alaska                                                                                        
        · Fisheries Search and Rescue (SAR)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                Long range helicopters forward deployed during crab                                                             
                fisheries                                                                                                       
                  · Cold Bay                                                                                                    
                  · Saint Paul Island                                                                                           
            Bering Sea cutter deployed with helicopter                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
        · YR 2000 Rescues                                                                                                       
                SAR Cases: 920                                                                                                  
                Lives Saved: 255                                                                                                
                Lives Assisted: 1255                                                                                            
                Southeast AK Medevacs: 53                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
        · Prevention and Response                                                                                               
                Seek non-regulatory solutions                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        · Commercial Vessel Safety                                                                                              
                Inspection of Vessels                                                                                           
                Licensing of Mariners                                                                                           
                Investigation of Marine Casualties                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Fishing Vessel Safety                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                Most dangerous occupation in U.S.                                                                               
                Coast Guard safety program:                                                                                     
                        1. Dockside Exams                                                                                       
                        2. At Sea Boardings                                                                                     
                        3. "Ready for Sea" Safety Program                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                1980's Alaska fishing deaths averaged 40/yr                                                                     
                7 lives lost in 2000                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        · Passenger Vessel Safety                                                                                               
                Over 2 million passengers annually embark vessels in                                                            
                Alaska                                                                                                          
                Four "abandon ships" in 1999                                                                                    
                        1. Alaska Small Passenger Vessel Task Force                                                             
                        2. 5 Star Safety Program for Charter Boats                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Recreational and Non-Commercial Boating Safety                                                                        
                AK boating safety law increased visibility & saved                                                              
                lives                                                                                                           
                Prevention through outreach and education                                                                       
                "Kids Don't Float"-Free loaner life jackets on docks                                                            
                Establishing CG Auxiliary detachment in Whittier                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Oil Spill Prevention and Response                                                                                               
        · Major oil ports in Valdez and Cook Inlet                                                                              
        · Working Both Ends of the Trans Alaska Pipeline                                                                        
        · Statewide "risk assessments" and implementation of risk                                                               
          reduction measures                                                                                                    
             1. Inspect foreign vessels calling on Alaska ports to                                                              
                ensure compliance with U.S. and international                                                                   
                safety and environmental laws                                                                                   
             2. Periodic Oil Spill Response Exercises                                                                           
             3. Respond to approx 600 oil spill and chemical                                                                    
                responses annually                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Valdez                                                                                                                
             1. Most closely regulated port in U.S.                                                                             
                  · All tanker transits supervised by radar and                                                                 
                     Automated Identification System (AIS)                                                                      
                  · Frequent exercises to ensure prepared to                                                                    
                     respond                                                                                                    
                  · Recent scrutiny of Alyeska terminal safety                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
        · CF Federal On Scene Coordinator                                                                                       
             1. Bouytenders configured to recover oil                                                                           
             2. Pre-positioned CF spill response equipment                                                                      
             3. State "non tank vessel" legislation complements CG                                                              
                efforts                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        · Cruise Ships                                                                                                          
             1. Safety of Alaska cruise ships that carry over                                                                   
                600,000 passengers each year                                                                                    
             2. Addressing public concerns over environmental laws                                                              
                through boardings, over-flights and sampling                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Coast Guard Enforcement                                                                                               
             1. Increased over-flights to detect discharges                                                                     
             2. Expanded environmental inspections                                                                              
             3. Expanded environmental inspections                                                                              
             4. Sampling of overboard discharges                                                                                
             5. Implementing Murkowski's federal legislation                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        · Fisheries Law Enforcement                                                                                             
             1. Largest allocation of CG resources                                                                              
             2. High seas driftnet                                                                                              
             3. US/Russian maritime boundary line                                                                               
             4. Dixon Entrance                                                                                                  
             5. Domestic fisheries                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · Domestic Fisheries Law Enforcement                                                                                    
             1. Over 200 time/area/species openers                                                                              
             2. Largest individual fishing quota fishery in world                                                               
             3. At sea boardings check fisheries and safety laws                                                                
             4. Surveillance of Stellar Sea Lion rookeries                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        · High seas drift net (HSDN) operating area & operations                                                                
             1. $300 million of Alaska salmon grazing on high seas                                                              
             2. 9 May, foreign fishing vessel Arctic Wind located                                                               
                by aircraft fishing with high seas drift net,                                                                   
                boarded and seized                                                                                              
             3. Honduras flag, South Korean owner, Russian master                                                               
                and crew                                                                                                        
             4. Approximately one ton of salmon on board (Chum,                                                                 
                Sockeye & Chinook)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MARITIME MOBILITY                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
     · Deployment, maintenance and operation of over 1,300 aids to                                                              
        navigation                                                                                                              
             1. Buoys                                                                                                           
             2. Fixed aids to navigation (shore lights)                                                                         
             3. LORAN stations Vessel traffic service (VTS Valdez)                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     · Mission to ensure safe, efficient and environmentally sound                                                              
        maritime operations                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     · Marine transportation system                                                                                             
          1. Alaskan waterways are the major "highway"                                                                          
           2. 1,300+ buoys & lights maintained and LORAN                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MARITIME SECURITY                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
     · US/Russian maritime boundary                                                                                             
          1. Multi-national fleet targeting Pollock                                                                             
          2. Poor catch rates on Russian side                                                                                   
                · Push boundary line for higher catch rates                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          3. Largest use of CG cutters and C-130 a/c patrol effort                                                              
          4. Focus of D17/RS federal border service engagement                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     · Maritime boundary line activity         1999       2000                                                                  
          1. Incursions detected               90         26                                                                    
          2. Vessels identified                24         22                                                                    
          3. Joint US/RS boardings             0          4                                                                     
          4. Vessels seized                    0          6                                                                     
          5. Vessels given verbal warnings     4          9                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     · Enforcement cooperation                                                                                                  
     · Summary of major cases                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NATIONAL SECURITY                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
     · Support of DOD missions                                                                                                  
     · Naval activity Alaska                                                                                                    
     · Northern Edge 2001 in Ketchikan, March                                                                                   
     · Port security                                                                                                            
          1. Authority to establish and enforce maritime safety and                                                             
             security zones to protect commercial and national                                                                  
             interests                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     · Future Challenges                                                                                                        
        1. Readiness and recapitalization                                                                                       
          · Annual operating funds                                                                                              
          · Spare parts                                                                                                         
          · C-130 availability 80%-60%                                                                                          
          · Aging fleet                                                                                                         
          · Retaining trained personnel                                                                                         
          · Replacement of aging infrastructure of ships and                                                                    
             planes                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OPERATIONAL EXCELLENCE                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
   · Saving lives                                                                                                               
   · Protecting the environment                                                                                                 
   · Ensuring the mobility of waterways                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1160                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  asked  if there  were  any questions  for  the                                                            
Admiral about  either the presentation or Coast Guard  operations in                                                            
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  asked if the Coast Guard has difficulties  getting                                                            
air parts to Attu.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BARRETT said there are  difficulties in both  Attu and                                                            
St. Paul. Recently  they had to fly parts from Wisconsin  to replace                                                            
a motor on  a hanger door at St. Paul,  which was no great  problem,                                                            
but if an aircraft  or a cutter is out of commission,  the situation                                                            
could become  urgent very  quickly.  Lead time is  two days  in good                                                            
weather and five under poor conditions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  asked about difficulties  in clearing the  runway.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REAR ADMIRAL  BARRETT  said that there  is no  back up equipment  at                                                            
Attu  for  clearing  the  runway.  This is  critical  if  a  medical                                                            
evacuation is necessary.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN   THERRIAULT   thanked  Rear   Admiral   Barrett  for   the                                                            
presentation and  then called Senator Austerman forward  to give his                                                            
sponsor's statement for SJR 10.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR AUSTERMAN  said he  introduced SJR  10 to help maintain  the                                                            
presence  of the Coast Guard  in Alaska. The  original idea  for the                                                            
resolution came  from the Pacific Fisheries Legislative  Task Force.                                                            
States involved acknowledged  the need for Coast Guard funding along                                                            
the entire Pacific Coast.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Looking  at a map  of the state  of Alaska  laid over  a map  of the                                                            
Lower 48, it  is easy to see why there  are difficulties  associated                                                            
with patrolling  the vast area under  Coast Guard jurisdiction  here                                                            
in Alaska.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He   thought  Admiral   Barrett's   presentation   provided   enough                                                            
information to make a determination on SJR 10.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT observed  that the resolution  was directed  to                                                            
the congressional  delegation and  leading members of both  the U.S.                                                            
House  and  U.S. Senate.  He  said  there  was a  zero  fiscal  note                                                            
attached.  He then asked  for any questions  or if there was  anyone                                                            
that wanted  to testify. There was  no one. He asked for  amendments                                                            
and there were none. He asked for the will of the committee.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  made a motion  to move SJR  10 with the zero  fiscal                                                            
note from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  for any objections.  There were  none so                                                            
SJR 10 was moved from committee.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT noted  for the record  that Senator Pearce  had                                                            
arrived shortly after the meeting was called to order.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The next order  of business was SB  65. Senator Donley came  forward                                                            
to give the sponsor's statement.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               SB  65-PAY EQUITY FOR STATE EMPLOYEES                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said that  SB 65 would require the State of Alaska to                                                            
conduct   a   gender   equity   study   regarding   state   employee                                                            
compensation.  Although compensation  studies have been done,  there                                                            
has  never been  an  analysis  of whether  women  or men  are  being                                                            
discriminated against because  of gender. Female state employees are                                                            
generally  paid less than  male state employees  but it isn't  known                                                            
whether  this is  due to  discrimination  or whether  the jobs  they                                                            
perform are valued less in the work market.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
In looking  at the experiences of  other states on this issue  there                                                            
are two basic  scenarios. In the first, the states  are proactive in                                                            
performing  gender equity  studies. If discrimination  is found  the                                                            
state corrects the problem.  In the second situation, the state does                                                            
nothing  until a  discrimination  lawsuit  is filed.  The  proactive                                                            
approach  is economical in  the long term  because litigation  is so                                                            
costly.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1588                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The legislature  will work with the Department of  Administration to                                                            
try to keep the  study costs to a minimum but it is  important, from                                                            
a government  management point of  view, that the study go  forward.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked for questions for Senator Donley.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS said  he thought  that a  study was  done five  to                                                            
seven years ago and he  wanted to know why it would differ from this                                                            
one.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY said  that past  compensation  studies haven't  been                                                            
true  gender  equity  studies.  They haven't  done  an  analysis  of                                                            
whether the  particular job classification  is paid less  because it                                                            
is dominated by  a particular gender. Gender equity  studies look at                                                            
job  classifications  that  are dominated  by  one gender  and  then                                                            
determine whether  or not that is how the compensation  for that job                                                            
was established as opposed  to the true value of the work performed.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked for questions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS asked for  a list of the states that already conducted                                                            
gender equity  studies. She  also wanted to  know if there  are many                                                            
states that had made corrections.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said he would provide the list to the committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  said  there  was  information  in  the  packet                                                            
stating that the National  Committee on Pay Equity had identified 20                                                            
states as having fair pay/pay equity for state employees.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS said she  had read that and wondered if SB 65 would do                                                            
anything differently.  She too thought  there had been a  study done                                                            
some years ago.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS said  he  had been  trying to  get a  copy of  the                                                            
previous study  and would share the  information once it  was in his                                                            
possession.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1809                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  agreed with  the need for such  a study but  wondered                                                            
about the timeline.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DONLEY said  they were  trying  to give  the Department  of                                                            
Administration time to  develop a system for doing the study so that                                                            
was why the study  results wouldn't be presented to  the legislature                                                            
until 2003.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT noted the arrival of Senator Halford.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT   felt  that  the  $750,000  fiscal   note  was                                                            
speculative at this point.  He wondered whether the department would                                                            
locate computer  programs  that could be  used and examine  programs                                                            
developed by other states  and then return to the legislature with a                                                            
more complete cost estimate for the study.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  said progress  was being made  to reduce costs  from                                                            
the original  estimate and  he wanted to continue  to work  with the                                                            
Department  of Administration to find  the most economical  approach                                                            
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked for questions and there were none.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1978                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.   STEWART,    personnel   manager   for   the   Department    of                                                            
Administration, Division  of Personnel, said that although the state                                                            
has  conducted  many market  evaluation  salary  studies,  a  gender                                                            
equity  study has not  been done.  The Pete  Marwick study,  dealing                                                            
with job classifications, was done about three years ago.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT said  he thought  Senator  Phillips might  have                                                            
been  referring  to  a  salary  study  and  although  that  provides                                                            
information  about job  categories  it doesn't  answer the  question                                                            
about  whether  similar  job categories  might  have  different  pay                                                            
scales because  one of those jobs  is dominated by one gender  while                                                            
the other is not.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART said that the  department is supportive of the effort to                                                            
develop a study.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked if there is concern about litigation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART  said he doesn't  share that  concern. There are  checks                                                            
and balances  in the system and there  hasn't been a large  increase                                                            
in  grievance  complaints  indicating  problems  that  haven't  been                                                            
identified.  While there isn't  a pressing  problem, the system  can                                                            
always benefit from a reevaluation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   PHILLIPS   asked  what   became   of  the   Pete   Marwick                                                            
classification study and how much it cost.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART didn't  believe anything was done with  it; the cost was                                                            
about $225,000.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT said  he believes the cost was $250,000 for that                                                            
study and  the beginning  of the Education  Study. It could  provide                                                            
useful information  but it didn't answer the questions  addressed by                                                            
SB 65.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS asked  if that  study pointed  to certain  trends,                                                            
such as a gender gap.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART said  the Pete Marwick study didn't discuss  gender gap.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT wondered  whether it  might be advantageous  to                                                            
reexamine  the data to  look for  trends that  weren't the focus  of                                                            
that study.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART didn't think so.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT said  that when software  use is a possibility                                                             
and other states'  programs are considered, the fiscal  note figures                                                            
seem speculative.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART said the FY02  $50,000 figure was the amount anticipated                                                            
for commissioning  an independent review of possible  bias problems.                                                            
The $750,000  is an estimate of what  a full study would  cost. This                                                            
was  put in  FY03 in  case something  was  found during  the  review                                                            
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN   THERRIAULT  said   according  to   Senator  Donley,   the                                                            
anticipated  costs have  been adjusted  down but  he wanted to  know                                                            
what the starting figures were.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART  said they  started with seven  zeros. Senator  Donley's                                                            
office was helpful in directing  them to existing models such as the                                                            
one  from  Minnesota.  They  have developed  a  software  system  to                                                            
repeatedly test job classes  but their classification system is very                                                            
different  from  Alaska's  so  it's not  useable  unless  all  state                                                            
positions are reclassified.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The fiscal  note is an average of  rough estimates that ranged  from                                                            
$1.5  million  to $500,000  to  do  a  complete  "job class  by  job                                                            
classing position-by-position study".                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS asked  whether  the Department  of Administration                                                             
(DOA) was better  able to do this type of study than  the Department                                                            
of Labor  (DOL) and  is "the study  just for  the classification  of                                                            
state government or employment period."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEWART  said that DOL has labor  economists and can  talk about                                                            
trends  and  analysis while  DOA  has  the experts  on  the  state's                                                            
classification system for state employment.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT said  that although DOA would be contracting the                                                            
study out,  it deals with  job classifications  and would  therefore                                                            
manage the contract.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 01-5, Side B                                                                                                               
Number 2356                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THERRIAULT  said that  he was somewhat  concerned about  the                                                            
second  year of  funding  because  although  they aren't  making  an                                                            
appropriation  with the fiscal  note, the  legislature is giving  an                                                            
indication of what the agency can expect for funding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He asked if  there were any questions.  There were none so  he asked                                                            
Caren Robinson  forward to testify  on behalf of the Alaska  Women's                                                            
Lobby.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KAREN ROBINSON,  Alaska  Women's Lobby,  said  she agreed  with                                                            
Senator Donley, that this  study is "the right, fair and smart thing                                                            
to do." The  Alaska Women's Lobby  is hopeful that this legislation                                                             
will pass  and pleased that  the Administration  is willing  to work                                                            
with the legislature.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  for questions  and  other testimony  and                                                            
there was no response.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He said there  were no amendments  and no committee substitutes.  He                                                            
turned his attention to  the fiscal note and asked Senator Donley if                                                            
he would prefer dealing with DOA for the second funding year.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  said that his understanding  of the fiscal  note was                                                            
that $50,000  was allocated for the  preliminary assessment.  If the                                                            
assessment indicated  problems, then funding would  have to be found                                                            
for a full study. He thinks the assessment figure is reasonable.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said that if the full study is  needed, it will                                                            
need to be worked into the next operating budget.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  said that's  true. If there  are indications  that a                                                            
full  study  is needed,  an  assessment  will  need  to be  done  to                                                            
determine the size of the problem.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HALFORD said that  although the amount in the fiscal note is                                                            
not binding, he would be  more comfortable if it was $500,000 rather                                                            
than $750,000.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  agreed and said it is his preference  to change                                                            
the amount from $750,000  to $500,000 since the estimate was in that                                                            
range.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said that  if the initial assessment indicated that a                                                            
full study  is necessary  she thought the  data would ultimately  be                                                            
more useful  if a  market study  was done  at the  same time as  the                                                            
gender study.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY  said he would continue to work with  DOA to identify                                                            
the correct parameters  of the initial study because  he agrees with                                                            
Senator  Pearce;   the  marketplace  situation   also  needs  to  be                                                            
examined.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked for the will of the committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  made a motion to move SB 65 and the  $500,000 fiscal                                                            
note  move from  committee with  individual  recommendations.  There                                                            
were no objections.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said SB 65 with the modified  fiscal note would                                                            
be moved.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2092                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
         SB  24-LEGIS APPROVAL OF SEAFOOD/FOOD SAFETY LAB                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked Janice Adair if she was  ready to testify                                                            
via teleconference.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS  JANICE   ADAIR,  Director  of   Environmental  Health   for  the                                                            
Department  of Environmental  Conservation  (DEC),  said that  SB 24                                                            
allows for  the sale of  bonds or certificates  of participation  to                                                            
replace the  seafood and  food safety lab  in Palmer. The lease  for                                                            
the current  facility  expired in  December 2000  and there are  two                                                            
one-year  extensions.  State  law  prohibits  long-term   extensions                                                            
without  a  substantial   reduction  in  the  lease  payments.   The                                                            
reductions  were given  during a  previous extension  and the  owner                                                            
isn't  willing to  give another  substantial reduction  and has  the                                                            
building  on the  market.  The current  lease  amount  is $1.03  per                                                            
square foot  and has been that since  December 1998. Her  letter had                                                            
given an incorrect figure per square foot.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She said  that the  lab is  the only  one in the  state testing  for                                                            
paralytic shellfish  poisoning (PSP) so that shellfish  and crab can                                                            
be  sold  in interstate  and  international  commerce.    DEC  tests                                                            
shellfish  growing  waters  to  ensure  that they  comply  with  the                                                            
National  Shellfish Sanitation  Program.  DEC also  evaluates  dairy                                                            
products that  are processed in Alaska  and sold elsewhere.  The lab                                                            
also certifies  private labs that  runs drinking water analyses  for                                                            
public water  systems and works with  commercial food industries  to                                                            
develop  safe food products,  such  as smoked fish  and other  shelf                                                            
stable products.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In FY99 and FY01  the legislature appropriated capital  funds to the                                                            
department  to do  planning  for the  replacement  of  the lab.  DEC                                                            
hired  an independent  contractor,  Livingston Sloan,  and was  told                                                            
that the  most cost  effective  replacement would  be a state-owned                                                             
laboratory.  Building  the lab  on state-owned  land  would  provide                                                            
additional  savings.   A  state-owned  site  near   the  airport  in                                                            
Anchorage was  selected to facilitate  transportation to  the lab of                                                            
statewide test  samples. Approximately  80 percent of the  work done                                                            
in the  lab is seafood  related,  some of which  is time  sensitive.                                                            
Testing must be completed before any of the food may be sold.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1937                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The economic analysis  confirms that owning is more  economical than                                                            
leasing.  Since labs  are  highly individual  and  specialized,  any                                                            
lease space would require extensive remodeling prior to use.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The new lab would  result in an overall decrease in  operating costs                                                            
for shellfish  growers.  There are  11 approved  shellfish farms  in                                                            
Southeast,  22 in  Southcentral and  nine geoduck  growing areas  in                                                            
southeast. Since  growers must ship their water and  fish samples to                                                            
the lab  at their  own expense,  locating the  lab near the  airport                                                            
would save  courier costs from the  Anchorage airport to  the lab in                                                            
Palmer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There  will be  no increased  cost  to  the dairy  industry  because                                                            
inspectors pick up samples when they visit the dairies.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The lab performs  most of the tests  for free but there are  charges                                                            
for tests  for foods  for export and  tests made  at the request  of                                                            
food manufacturers.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
If  the bill  isn't  passed  this  session,  the  lab will  have  no                                                            
alternative but to look  for lease facilities this summer or fall to                                                            
ensure a place  of business when the  current lease extension  comes                                                            
to term in two years. Lease costs are expected to be high.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1839                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  asked whether  the Governor's  capital  budget                                                            
submittal  included a $310,000  appropriation  to finance the  lease                                                            
along with the sale of bonds.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said  yes, the whole project  has $13.6 million  from bond                                                            
sale proceeds and $310,000 from the general fund.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked what was on the proposed site.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR  said there was  a gravel pad with  a Department  of Motor                                                            
Vehicles/Department of Transportation building next door.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked Julie Decker to testify next.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
JULIE DECKER,  executive director  of the Southeast Alaska  Regional                                                            
Dive Fisheries  Association, supports SB 24. She represents  divers,                                                            
processors and communities  of Southeast Alaska, all of whom use the                                                            
seafood and food  safety laboratory in Palmer. They  pay for many of                                                            
its services.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Relocating  the  lab next  to  the  airport in  Anchorage  would  be                                                            
beneficial  to users in Southeast  in particular due to the  30 hour                                                            
time limit  on water samples.  The trip from  the airport to  Palmer                                                            
has made  the difference  between getting the  sample to the  lab on                                                            
time and going over the 30 hour limit.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT called for questions.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  asked what percent  the fisheries' industry  would                                                            
contribute  toward the project since  80 percent of the business  is                                                            
seafood related.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said  that users pay for a portion of the  maintenance and                                                            
operation of the facility.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS  said he'd  like  users  to pay  for  more of  the                                                            
facility itself.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ADAIR said  she  wasn't  sure "the  way  the fee  statutes  are                                                            
structured we could even include that in a fee."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked for size of the proposed  lab noting that                                                            
the current lab is 9,000 square feet.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said the new lab would be 20,500 square feet.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT said  that was  more than double  the size.  He                                                            
then  said  that  current  costs  are  $115,000  per  year  and  are                                                            
anticipated  to go to $1.2 million  per year with the new  facility.                                                            
In  addition,  Department of  Environmental  Conservation  will  pay                                                            
operational costs of $178,000 to $180,000 per year.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said  that was correct but it must be understood  that the                                                            
$115,000 figure  would rise regardless  of whether the new  facility                                                            
is built or  not. Also, laboratories  are highly specialized  and it                                                            
will be expensive  to build one or to remodel a building  to house a                                                            
modern  lab. There  are specific  and specialized  requirements  for                                                            
things such  as ventilation  and the keeping  and care of live  mice                                                            
used in testing.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE  asked  whether  a  survey  was  done  of  available                                                            
buildings  in Anchorage that  would meet code  and could be  used as                                                            
laboratories.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR  said that was  part of the analysis  done by contractors                                                             
Livingston/Sloan  and they  determined there  were not any  suitable                                                            
buildings in the Anchorage area.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked about the time gap between  the two years                                                            
in extensions  left  on the  current lab  and the  FY2005  projected                                                            
opening date of the new lab.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS ADAIR said there is a one year gap and it is a great concern.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1392                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN   THERRIAULT  referred   to  notes   from  a  power   point                                                            
presentation outlining  the pros and cons of owning  versus leasing.                                                            
He  asked  how flexible  the  interior  of  a  lab  is in  terms  of                                                            
reconfiguration  since this  was listed  as a reason  to own  rather                                                            
than lease.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ADAIR  said  she  would  like  Tom  Livingston  to  answer  the                                                            
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked for other  questions for Ms Adair  before                                                            
Mr. Livingston answered.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  asked whether the  lab might be asked to  vacate the                                                            
premises before  the end of the lease term if the  building is sold.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said she didn't believe so.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT called upon Mr. Livingston.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. TOM  LIVINGSTON with  Livingston/Slone  Inc. said that  his firm                                                            
had just designed  the new public  health lab in Anchorage  so he is                                                            
familiar  with the issues  discussed. It is  critical that  labs are                                                            
design flexible  because technology,  equipment and safety  features                                                            
change  fairly  frequently.   Things  such  as  walk   in  freezers;                                                            
ventilation hoods,  bio-safety cabinets and equipment  hoods may all                                                            
have to  be repositioned  because of procedural  changes that  occur                                                            
over time.  Needs for water,  power, steam  and ventilation  are all                                                            
variable and this  is one of the reasons labs are  so specialized. A                                                            
building  that  is able  to  support  this kind  of  flexibility  is                                                            
complex.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked Mr. Livingston  to talk about  the search                                                            
for available buildings that would support the facility.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1266                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LIVINGSTON  said his  firm did  a survey of  buildings in  South                                                            
Central  Alaska to  determine  their suitability  for  this type  of                                                            
activity.  The conclusion  was that there  are building shells  that                                                            
would need  extensive interior finishing  but that there  is nothing                                                            
on the market  now that could be readily  used. The design  criteria                                                            
and bid specifications  that would go out to potential landlords for                                                            
such a remodel  are specific and extensive  enough that there  would                                                            
be considerable upfront  cost to the state. Preparing such a package                                                            
would require  an extension  of the  lease term  in order to  recoup                                                            
those costs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
After weighing  the factors, it was  decided that building  a custom                                                            
designed  facility that is  state owned is  the most cost  effective                                                            
over time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked if he took  part in the decision  to make                                                            
the new building  20,500 square feet,  which is more than  twice the                                                            
size of the current building.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LIVINGSTON said  that  he prepared  the analysis.  The  current                                                            
space is very  inadequate and there really isn't enough  space there                                                            
to conduct the  procedures that are being performed  there now. Good                                                            
science  isn't being  compromised  but  the staff  has  to work  far                                                            
harder  than  necessary  to  maintain  the  standards   expected  by                                                            
industry.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said he knew  that they were under pressure  in                                                            
the  lab  but wanted  to  know  if the  increased  size  comes  from                                                            
industry standards for specific lab space or something else.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LIVINGSTON  said yes,  they  did  a detailed  analysis  of  the                                                            
current lab procedures  and then looked at the new  labs such as the                                                            
Anchorage  Public Health  Lab, the  Seward Sea Life  Center and  the                                                            
National  Oceanic and Atmospheric  (NOAA)  fisheries lab in  Juneau.                                                            
With that  data base,  they  came up with  a figure  for the  square                                                            
footage needed  for each  of the labs activities  and the  utilities                                                            
needed  to support  those  activities.  Catering  to the  needs  for                                                            
personal  safety  and conducting  quality  science  were of  primary                                                            
concern.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1035                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS has  a problem adding  between  13 and 14  million                                                            
dollars to the  state budget when he has a constituency  that thinks                                                            
more should  be cut  from the  budget. He  asked for  a response  to                                                            
that.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LIVINGSTON  said that  the cost  of  the state  owned  facility                                                            
compared to a  leased facility over a twenty year  term makes sense.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS  asked  how other  states  pay  for this  type  of                                                            
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said  that Washington and Oregon labs are  general funded.                                                            
There  are no  fees  paid by  the users,  it  all comes  from  state                                                            
revenue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  if there  was a tax  on the industry  in                                                            
either of those states to add money to the general fund.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said  she hasn't done a complete analysis.  She knows that                                                            
Washington  has a fairly heavy processors  fee but she doesn't  know                                                            
whether that applies to shellfish or not.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  said his constituency  wants budget cuts  and that                                                            
80 percent  of the business the lab  conducts involve fisheries.  He                                                            
thinks most  of his constituents would  say, "Let the users  pay for                                                            
the services  that they're asking  for." He said he'd be  interested                                                            
in knowing how other states  pay for the structure and operation and                                                            
maintenance of the facilities.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said that the  industry pays for the  tests but                                                            
questioned whether they  should they have to pay for the facility as                                                            
well. Public health  labs require payment for services  but the cost                                                            
of the facility itself isn't factored in.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said,  "public health is different. This is for one                                                            
industry. Why don't we  do this for the oil industry or tourism? Who                                                            
is going to pay for all these things?"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 797                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  said that we all face  those questions. However,  to                                                            
expand and  diversify the economy  of Alaska, the State is  going to                                                            
have to provide  service and it is already doing so.  One death from                                                            
PSP will  kill the industry  in the state  and the state could  well                                                            
end up  being the "deep  pocket" and  spend much  more in legal  and                                                            
liability   fees  than  the  building   costs.  She  believes   that                                                            
laboratories  for the public  health are  the responsibility  of the                                                            
state. She  has no problem  asking users to  pay for the tests  they                                                            
have run but they shouldn't  be expected to pay for the costs of the                                                            
building  itself. To her  knowledge, no other  industry is  asked to                                                            
pay for  state building costs  as an add-on  to the fees,  licenses,                                                            
permits and services  they pay for. She used the oil  industry as an                                                            
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  said that  the oil industry  pays it's own  way in                                                            
the state.  He's concerned about adding  more to the budget  with no                                                            
plan for 10 to 15 years from now.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said he agrees  that costs must be considered.                                                             
However,  this  agency  has  been before  the  legislature  and  the                                                            
finance  committee in  two previous  years and  appropriations  have                                                            
been made because it is  known that the lab needs replacing. He does                                                            
have questions  of his own  about the total  cost and the  financing                                                            
mechanism.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE said this  is a renewable industry and efforts should                                                            
be made  to "maintain  it and grow it  as we look  to that 10  to 15                                                            
year period when Prudhoe Bay really is gone."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  for questions  and there  were none.  He                                                            
asked Devin Mitchel to come forward.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DEVIN MITCHEL, State  Debt Manager for the Department of Revenue                                                            
(DOR),  said  that  DEC would  coordinate   with DOT  to  build  the                                                            
facility  using  private contractors.   "It would  be  the State  of                                                            
Alaska's  credit  that would  be  utilized  directly to  access  the                                                            
capital market.  So rather than relying on the private  developer to                                                            
use our  lease payments as  a revenue stream  to obtain capital,  we                                                            
would do that directly.  So the state bond committee of the State of                                                            
Alaska would issue that debt."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked whom we  would be making our payments  to                                                            
or if we would be paying the bond directly.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHEL said that the  bill gives authorization for DEC to enter                                                            
into a  lease with  DOA. That lease  would be  secured to the  state                                                            
rather than to a private  developer. DOt is involved with the design                                                            
and  construction  of  the  facilities.  The  Department  of  Public                                                            
Services'  new public  health  lab was  constructed  using the  same                                                            
model.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The fiscal note anticipates  lease payments of $1.2 million per year                                                            
but that is variable depending on the current interest rate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 272                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT called Caren Robinson forward to testify.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CAREN ROBINSON,  owner  and partner  in Tenass  Pass  Shellfish                                                            
Company of  Prince of Wales  and owner of  a shellfish distribution                                                             
company in  Juneau, testified  in favor of  SB 24. She stressed  the                                                            
importance  of quick and accurate  product testing for this  growing                                                            
industry.  She referenced  a letter  in committee  packets from  her                                                            
partner,  Roger  Painter, outlining  the  difficulties  involved  in                                                            
getting samples  from Prince of Wales  to the Palmer Lab  within the                                                            
30 hour time  requirement. Having  the lab closer to the  airport in                                                            
Anchorage  rather than  in Palmer  would  eliminate one  leg of  the                                                            
journey and  therefore save time.  She emphasized the importance  of                                                            
timely tests and  said that anything that could be  done to help the                                                            
industry would  be appreciated. A lab in Anchorage  is preferable to                                                            
the Palmer location.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 152                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ROBINSON said  that  they pay  for the  testing  and the  state                                                            
fisheries  tax even though  they pay for the  spat and the  shipping                                                            
costs and put  the spat into the water  themselves. They're  willing                                                            
to pay their way but the industry is young and struggling.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  thanked Ms. Robinson  for her testimony.  There                                                            
were no questions. He then  asked Ms. Adair about the statement that                                                            
the  federal government  wouldn't  allow a  private  lab to  perform                                                            
testing functions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Tape 01-6, Side A                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR  said that the  Federal Drug Administration  (FDA)  has to                                                            
certify  labs  doing  PSP and  dairy  testing.  They  certify  state                                                            
laboratories  but there is no private  lab certification  process or                                                            
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked  if that meant that no state has a private                                                            
lab certified  to do this  type of testing  and without testing  the                                                            
shellfish couldn't be sold.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR said that was  correct, no state has private labs that are                                                            
certified and  Alaska statute requires following National  Shellfish                                                            
Sanitation  Program Standards  adopted  by the  federal government.                                                             
This requires a marine toxin monitoring program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  said  that changing  the  state  law  wouldn't                                                            
change the federal  requirement. You must have the  testing facility                                                            
or you can't have the industry.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. ADAIR agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  asked  for  questions.  He  said there  is  no                                                            
committee substitute and  there are three fiscal notes. The shift of                                                            
expense for operating would  go to DEC; DOR makes the lease payments                                                            
and DOA  shows the  savings when  the current  lease isn't paid  any                                                            
longer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PEARCE  asked whether the department had considered  putting                                                            
an  addition of  the  public health  lab  in Anchorage  rather  than                                                            
building a new facility.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS ADAIR  said they had but  funding for the  public health  lab was                                                            
set before there were plans  for the seafood/food safety lab and the                                                            
property selected  wasn't large enough  for both facilities  without                                                            
resorting to a second story.  Because of ventilation requirements, a                                                            
second story lab is prohibited.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  for questions  and there  were none.  He                                                            
said that they had discussed  wording of the bill and an overview of                                                            
the fiscal notes. There were no amendments.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He asked for the will of the committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PEARCE made  a motion  to move  SB 24  from committee  with                                                            
fiscal notes and individual recommendations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  objected  and said he wants  to find out  how East                                                            
and West Coast states finances  labs of this type before this amount                                                            
of money is committed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT suggested  that Senator  Phillips indicate  his                                                            
objection on  the committee report.  He went on to advise  Ms. Adair                                                            
to  gather that  information  for  the finance  committee.  He  told                                                            
Senator Phillips  it was his preference  to move the bill  and asked                                                            
him whether he wanted to maintain his objection.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  said he  would maintain his  objection due  to the                                                            
lack of information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  called for a roll call. Senator  Phillips voted                                                            
nay and Senators  Davis, Pearce and  Chairman Therriault  voted yea.                                                            
The motion passed 3:1.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The bill moved from committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT adjourned the meeting at 5:20 p.m.                                                                          

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